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#41 User is offline   LutherSetzer 

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Posted 30 March 2007 - 05:36 AM

View Postdianahsieh, on Mar 26 2007, 01:13 PM, said:

... proving "the genius of God's creation" via the analysis of a banana was posted to the comments by "rootie."

This is actually the argument that Intelligent Design proponents make at major debates with secularists. I know this because someone who helped to arrange a national atheist conference included such a debate as part of the program. I am not making this up! They actually agreed to have these same two debaters conduct the same debate at a religious conference also.

Worse, campus religious groups distribute this argument in booklet form with the title "The Atheist Test." For giggles, I had a photograph taken of myself eating a banana while reading the booklet at a campus Objectivist booth. You can see that here:

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Posted 30 March 2007 - 07:16 AM

I'll have to say, this banana thread has given me a load of belly-laughs. Religion really is damn funny, if these crazies weren't also trying to use the power of government to impose their irrationality on us.

After reading several passages from the conservapedia.com, I have become a complete advocate of it. Let it help peel away the questioners and the still-not-completely-gone from religion by revealing its utter, patent absurdity. It will also keep the religious zanies busy on that source of divine truth and away from wikipedia, which I enjoy as a valuable resource (yes, with all the usual provisos).
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Posted 30 March 2007 - 07:23 AM

It has been cited before, but this banana thread also (divinely??) inspires me to proselytize for my all-time favorite Bible study web-site.

I pray here as often as I can. :thumbsup: :fool:
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Posted 30 March 2007 - 10:09 AM

I forgot a simple question: why did God create a seedless banana?
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Posted 30 March 2007 - 11:32 AM

View PostD, on Mar 30 2007, 11:09 AM, said:

I forgot a simple question: why did God create a seedless banana?
Because in the old days, people would spend days and days picking out the million tiny seeds, and they were starving to death, screwing up his divine plan. Plus there was a lot of swearing about goddamn tiny seeds.
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Posted 30 March 2007 - 01:52 PM

He has a divine plan? I could have sworn he was making it up as he went along...

Go to this page and read the "Christians" section. What really gets me, if Eve was not made by god to be a sexual companion for Eve but a companion, why would he both give them sexual organ, especially since it seems unlikely God would have wanted those two to have sex for pleasure. So what purpose did sexual organs serve? This proves God is a rather silly designer if you ask me...

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Posted 30 March 2007 - 02:07 PM

I assume the sexual organs were so that they could produce kids.
But, the next question is: why were they designed to give pleasure in the process?
The answer to that without a pleasure/pain mechanism there would be little reason to have sex.
So, the next question is: why was man given reason and designed to be volitional?
This is where the religious guys have a tough time explaining things. They usually come up with something like: "God wanted to test man", even though they know that God ought to have known how things were going to turn out (if he's all that omniscient), so what kind of sham test was that?
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Posted 30 March 2007 - 02:11 PM

View PostsoftwareNerd, on Mar 31 2007, 09:07 AM, said:

I assume the sexual organs were so that they could produce kids.
But, the next question is: why were they designed to give pleasure in the process?
The answer to that without a pleasure/pain mechanism there would be little reason to have sex.
So, the next question is: why was man given reason and designed to be volitional?
This is where the religious guys have a tough time explaining things. They usually come up with something like: "God wanted to test man", even though they know that God ought to have known how things were going to turn out (if he's all that omniscient), so what kind of sham test was that?


But God apparently had no intention of Adam and Eve reproducing, I am sure that Bible says as much in the Old Testament ( I used to have to go to Chrisitian camps, so I can be pretty sure I got this basic claim right).

I am also fairly sure that the Bible condemns sex for pleasure at various points (though more modern priests tell you God doesnt really mind if you do so in wedlock).

Man was apparently given free wil and such...er...to *uck up Gods plan? I have never been given any real answer to this one...
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Posted 30 March 2007 - 04:03 PM

View PostPrometheus98876, on Mar 30 2007, 02:52 PM, said:

He has a divine plan? I could have sworn he was making it up as he went along...


I recall seeing a comedy act with the idea that God was at a drunken party with the angels when he amde up all His rules. Something like:

God ".. And no meat on Friday! And you'll take a piece of bread and pretend your'e eating My Son! No, wait, wait! I got one! Hey you! Children of Israel! Cut off a piece of your thing for Me! Yeah, you heard Me!"

Angels "Oh, stop it, God! You're too much!"

It's as good an explanation as any...
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Posted 30 March 2007 - 05:00 PM

Ah maybe he was drunk when he was trying to create multi-celluar life...it only took him billions of years after life first arose on Earth! I guess all those babies that die to birth defects were due to him being drunk at the time (as according to some Christians God personaly makes each baby).

But everything attests to Gods desigrn apparently..so God meant for all those babies to die then? I guess he decided those babies would be guilty of something later on. Talk about the ultimate case of "guilty without a trail"

And God is aware that the fact we eat and breathe out of the same hole (the mouth), meaning he intended for some humans to be able to choke due to this..

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Posted 30 March 2007 - 05:44 PM

View PostPrometheus98876, on Mar 30 2007, 06:00 PM, said:

And God is aware that the fact we eat and breathe out of the same hole (the mouth), meaning he intended for some humans to be able to choke due to this..


And He designed women's input and output ports too close to each other. He also made babies' heads too big to fit easily in the human birth cannal He designed (probably one design team worked in Metric and the other in Imperial). And He sure as hell dind't include a warranty for any of us.
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Posted 30 March 2007 - 05:55 PM

Yeah, by one team you would mean one of Gods multiple personalities, one that refused to work in Imperial, while the other one worked in Metric.

*Rings God*...

"Yes..I would like to make a complaint about one of your products...the head of a baby. Its too big and birth canal is too small! I recommend that you change one of those in future models! ........... What? You do not do revisions on that product line anymore? DAMN!"

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Posted 30 March 2007 - 06:10 PM

View PostPrometheus98876, on Mar 30 2007, 06:55 PM, said:

Yeah, by one team you would mean one of Gods multiple personalities, one that refused to work in Imperial, while the other one worked in Metric.


Why not? Religionists assure me God is omnipotent, not bound by human notions of logic or reason. He can contradict Himself and reality if He so chooses, can He not? If not, why bother being God.

BTW Here's a God joke:

When Wolfgang Pauli died, God Himself was there to greet him. He offered to answer one question the famed physicist might have. Pauli asks:

"Tell me, Lord, why does the electron/proton mass ratio has the value it does? Every hypothesis I've seen on the subject is dead wrong."

"Certainly," replies God, handing Pauli a thick sheaf of papers. "Here is the explanation in terms of mid-20th Century physics and mathematics."

Pauli reads through it, sighs and says "Still wrong!"



Oh, well. Here's another one:

A very old man arrives in heaven. He's so old he can't remember much about himself, not even his name. various angeals try to ellicit information, then give up. Finally Jesus goes to see him.

"You must remember something, my friend," Jesus says. "If not about yourself, then about what you used to do. What was your profession?"

The old man thinks for a while, then says "I was a carpenter. yes, I'm sure that's what I did."

"You see? Now tell me, where did you practice carpentry?"

The old man sits silently for a while and finally says "I don't remember."

"Well, that's ok. Maybe you remember something about those you loved. Tell me, did you have a family?"

"Yes," the old man answers at once.

"Good! Now we're getting somewhere. Did you have a son?"

"Yes," says the old man. "I remember now. I had a son. A very famous young man, he was. All the world knew his name."

Jesus stands up with arms outstretched and says "Father!"

The old man embraces him, saying "Pinocchio!"
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Posted 30 March 2007 - 06:12 PM

View PostDragonMaci, on Mar 30 2007, 09:53 PM, said:

It involved me having heaps of hundred dollar bills that I had earned.

Wait... is that really all that scary?

View PostPrometheus98876, on Mar 31 2007, 08:52 AM, said:

He has a divine plan? I could have sworn he was making it up as he went along...

The Bible certainly make it seem like he makes it up as he goes along.

View PostPrometheus98876, on Mar 31 2007, 08:52 AM, said:

Go to this page and read the "Christians" section. What really gets me, if Eve was not made by god to be a sexual companion for Eve but a companion, why would he both give them sexual organ, especially since it seems unlikely God would have wanted those two to have sex for pleasure. So what purpose did sexual organs serve? This proves God is a rather silly designer if you ask me...

So Stupid Design not Intelligent Design? Sounds about right to me. It doesn't sell so well, though.

View PostsoftwareNerd, on Mar 31 2007, 09:07 AM, said:

This is where the religious guys have a tough time explaining things. They usually come up with something like: "God wanted to test man", even though they know that God ought to have known how things were going to turn out (if he's all that omniscient), so what kind of sham test was that?

Seems to me that he was setting man up for failure.

Ah, God, you f'd up with Creation. There are many things wrong with it. It makes your beloved creatures, which you claim to love equally even though you don't act like it, suffer.
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Posted 30 March 2007 - 06:28 PM

LOL! Yeah sounds about right, God does seem to forget a lot of important things...

They would probably just claim God works in mysterious ways. Thats true..what is more mysterious than a guy whom can do whatever he likes? If the laws of reality get in his way? He can just screw with them until the crows come home...unless he chooses for them never to come home.
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Posted 30 March 2007 - 07:04 PM

View PostPrometheus98876, on Mar 31 2007, 01:28 PM, said:

LOL! Yeah sounds about right, God does seem to forget a lot of important things...

They would probably just claim God works in mysterious ways. Thats true..what is more mysterious than a guy whom can do whatever he likes? If the laws of reality get in his way? He can just screw with them until the crows come home...unless he chooses for them never to come home.

What is even more mysterious is the claims that God is "good and moral". I would say "evil and immoral" not "good and moral"
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Posted 30 March 2007 - 10:47 PM

Oh he can surely decide what is good and moral or just change reality what is good and moral is flipped about? He is God...he can apparently make the universe in seven days...so this should be easy.
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Posted 30 March 2007 - 11:04 PM

True, but does is it right for him to do so? Mind you, he could change it so it is. But is that right of him to do? Same answer. He could just create an endless loop of it being right for him to do so. He is all-powerful after all, so that is easy for him.

As for the 7 days thing, some Christians claim that the "7 days" thing isn't literal. They claim that a day to God is much longer than for us. So time travels at a different speed for him? He must go at light speed or near light speed then. Easy for him to do, but why would he do it?
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Posted 30 March 2007 - 11:09 PM

View PostDragonMaci, on Mar 31 2007, 06:04 PM, said:

True, but does is it right for him to do so? Mind you, he could change it so it is. But is that right of him to do? Same answer. He could just create an endless loop of it being right for him to do so. He is all-powerful after all, so that is easy for him.

As for the 7 days thing, some Christians claim that the "7 days" thing isn't literal. They claim that a day to God is much longer than for us. So time travels at a different speed for him? He must go at light speed or near light speed then. Easy for him to do, but why would he do it?


No, not given he doesnt want to tamper with free wil perhaps.

Oh I know that, some say it is totally unreliable and say could could have taken many many years to create the universe, and that a "day" to God might be Gods knows how long (bad pun intended).
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Posted 30 March 2007 - 11:13 PM

View PostPrometheus98876, on Mar 31 2007, 06:09 PM, said:

No, not given he doesnt want to tamper with free wil perhaps.

Oh I know that, some say it is totally unreliable and say could could have taken many many years to create the universe, and that a "day" to God might be Gods knows how long (bad pun intended).

He could just alter reality so free will isn't tampered with. :)

Yes, I know they do that.
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