In HBP, a large part of the plot is dedicated to Malfoy finding a way to smuggle Death Eaters into Hogwarts. Given what had gone on with Sirius in the previous 2 books, why couldn't they just use floo powder in the Slytherin common room?
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inconsistency that I thought of
#1
Posted 18 October 2006 - 03:29 PM
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Across the clouds I see my shadow fly,
Out of the corner of my watering eye.
A dream unthreatened by the morning light,
Could blow this soul right through the roof of the night.
There's no sensation to compare with this,
Suspended animation, a state of bliss.
Can't keep my eyes from the circling skies,
Tongue-tied and twisted, just an earthbound misfit, I.
#2
Posted 19 October 2006 - 01:24 PM
Just because you can use floo powder to communicate doesn't mean you can use it to travel. Or at least, that's one potential explanation. Another is that Dumbledore might have been alerted by the use of the floo powder: since he was in on the secret of Sirius' whereabouts they could safely communicate via that method. If you recall, when Dolores Umbridge became headmaster briefly Sirius only narrowly escaped being caught.
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#3
Posted 19 October 2006 - 04:28 PM
But they do use it to travel, quite frequently. Unless there's some enchantment on Hogwarts that will let your head, but not the rest of your body through, I think it's an inconsistency.
Above the planet on a wing and a prayer,
My grubby halo, a vapour trail in the empty air.
Across the clouds I see my shadow fly,
Out of the corner of my watering eye.
A dream unthreatened by the morning light,
Could blow this soul right through the roof of the night.
There's no sensation to compare with this,
Suspended animation, a state of bliss.
Can't keep my eyes from the circling skies,
Tongue-tied and twisted, just an earthbound misfit, I.
My grubby halo, a vapour trail in the empty air.
Across the clouds I see my shadow fly,
Out of the corner of my watering eye.
A dream unthreatened by the morning light,
Could blow this soul right through the roof of the night.
There's no sensation to compare with this,
Suspended animation, a state of bliss.
Can't keep my eyes from the circling skies,
Tongue-tied and twisted, just an earthbound misfit, I.
#4
Posted 20 October 2006 - 02:30 PM
I'd have to agree with Jennifer's second suggestion. Dumbledore probably set up Hogwarts to allow "flooing" from No. 12 Grimmauld in case of an emergency, or just to be able to fire-call whoever was on duty at headquarters should he need to check up on things. Phineas Nigellus wasn't all that reliable of a phone-replacement.
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#5
Posted 21 October 2006 - 07:16 PM
I'm having difficulty remembering anyone who had traveled bodily by floo powder into or out of Hogwarts any time in the series, except for when the network was specially hooked up to allow students to return after Christmas break in HBP. Also, Harry's communiques with Sirius via floo powder began in GOF, and were specifically pre-arranged. It isn't beyond possibility that Sirius scheduled these meetings at times when Arthur Weasley or Kingsley Shacklebolt or somesuch other ministry official connected with Dumbledore and OOtP was positioned to ensure that the floo network was not as strictly policed as other times. There is extensive evidence to suggest that the floo network is generally closely watched, and so Death Eaters would not be desirous of using such an entry method, even providing there were no enchantments to prevent bodily traveling by floo powder into Hogwarts, thereby attracting attention not only to the assault on Hogwarts, but to their point of origin as well.
I think the most likely explanation, considering all the other magical enchantments preventing people from flying or apparating into Hogwarts, is that travel into Hogwarts by floo powder has always been prohibited, except perhaps by high-level school officials, but that communicating by floo powder was always allowed. We know that Umbridge shut this latter feature down in OOP in all but her own fire, and it is reasonable to assume that the Ministry shut down all floo access to Hogwarts after they finally acknowledged Voldemort's return at the end of OOP, except of course when they specially hooked it back up for students to return after Christmas in HBP.
I think this explanation dispenses with any need to attribute any praeternatural precognition to Dumbledore, though as I said, I'm not sure no one else has ever flooed into the school. If I missed someone, the whole thing falls apart.
-Q
I think the most likely explanation, considering all the other magical enchantments preventing people from flying or apparating into Hogwarts, is that travel into Hogwarts by floo powder has always been prohibited, except perhaps by high-level school officials, but that communicating by floo powder was always allowed. We know that Umbridge shut this latter feature down in OOP in all but her own fire, and it is reasonable to assume that the Ministry shut down all floo access to Hogwarts after they finally acknowledged Voldemort's return at the end of OOP, except of course when they specially hooked it back up for students to return after Christmas in HBP.
I think this explanation dispenses with any need to attribute any praeternatural precognition to Dumbledore, though as I said, I'm not sure no one else has ever flooed into the school. If I missed someone, the whole thing falls apart.
-Q
#6
Posted 12 April 2007 - 05:00 PM
I'm trying to reread them all before the 7th one comes out, and I've just thought of 2 more things that bug me.
Assuming that Tom Riddle's diary is a Horcrux, how did he preserve his 16-year-old self in it? He hadn't killed anyone yet, unless Myrtle being killed by the basilisk counts.
Secondly...when there's all these grandiose fights between wizards, such as the one at the end of book 5...why don't they all just cast the killing curse at each other? When Voldy was dueling Dumbledore in the Ministry of Magic, they were both just kinda dancing around using non-lethal spells. That seems dumb, given that they could kill each other with a single spell.
Assuming that Tom Riddle's diary is a Horcrux, how did he preserve his 16-year-old self in it? He hadn't killed anyone yet, unless Myrtle being killed by the basilisk counts.
Secondly...when there's all these grandiose fights between wizards, such as the one at the end of book 5...why don't they all just cast the killing curse at each other? When Voldy was dueling Dumbledore in the Ministry of Magic, they were both just kinda dancing around using non-lethal spells. That seems dumb, given that they could kill each other with a single spell.
Above the planet on a wing and a prayer,
My grubby halo, a vapour trail in the empty air.
Across the clouds I see my shadow fly,
Out of the corner of my watering eye.
A dream unthreatened by the morning light,
Could blow this soul right through the roof of the night.
There's no sensation to compare with this,
Suspended animation, a state of bliss.
Can't keep my eyes from the circling skies,
Tongue-tied and twisted, just an earthbound misfit, I.
My grubby halo, a vapour trail in the empty air.
Across the clouds I see my shadow fly,
Out of the corner of my watering eye.
A dream unthreatened by the morning light,
Could blow this soul right through the roof of the night.
There's no sensation to compare with this,
Suspended animation, a state of bliss.
Can't keep my eyes from the circling skies,
Tongue-tied and twisted, just an earthbound misfit, I.
#7
Posted 12 April 2007 - 08:21 PM
Moose, on Apr 12 2007, 07:00 PM, said:
Assuming that Tom Riddle's diary is a Horcrux, how did he preserve his 16-year-old self in it? He hadn't killed anyone yet, unless Myrtle being killed by the basilisk counts.
Secondly...when there's all these grandiose fights between wizards, such as the one at the end of book 5...why don't they all just cast the killing curse at each other? When Voldy was dueling Dumbledore in the Ministry of Magic, they were both just kinda dancing around using non-lethal spells. That seems dumb, given that they could kill each other with a single spell.
Secondly...when there's all these grandiose fights between wizards, such as the one at the end of book 5...why don't they all just cast the killing curse at each other? When Voldy was dueling Dumbledore in the Ministry of Magic, they were both just kinda dancing around using non-lethal spells. That seems dumb, given that they could kill each other with a single spell.
1. Riddle killed the Gaunts before he opened the chamber. He used their murder(s) to make the diary. He was 16 at the time.
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2. Dumbledore can't kill Voldemort, and I'm pretty sure that Voldemort did try to hit Dumbledore with Avada Kedavra. Also remember that the unfogivables are Dark Arts, which Dumbledore probably wouldn't use on principle, same goes for the rest of the Order. I also gather that Avada Kedavra in particular is pretty difficult to cast, and is therefore not extremely practical for firing off quickly. It's also possible that some people can't bring up enough hatred to cast it effectively. Remember Harry's failed cruciatus? There's a lot of speculation on whether or not Harry would be able to use Avada Kedavra to kill Voldemort, even if he wanted to.
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#8
Posted 12 April 2007 - 11:03 PM
Moose, on Apr 12 2007, 06:00 PM, said:
I'm trying to reread them all before the 7th one comes out.
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Secondly...when there's all these grandiose fights between wizards, such as the one at the end of book 5...why don't they all just cast the killing curse at each other? When Voldy was dueling Dumbledore in the Ministry of Magic, they were both just kinda dancing around using non-lethal spells. That seems dumb, given that they could kill each other with a single spell
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